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Thankful wrote:

For you Mike.

Please read the following, and really try to imagine how you would feel if this were your lived experience.

http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/2007/03/a-walk-in-pink-moccasins/

and this:

http://www.dovesandserpents.org/wp/2013/10/lds-men-please-consider-this/

and this:

http://www.i4m.com/think/lists/mormon_gender.htm

How dare you minimize the experiences of women in the church, when they try to explain that something hurts them!

:thumbup:

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The interesting thing here… the angel with a sword thing might be a bit more plausible with the first plural wife, it becomes less and less plausible with subsequent plural wives. -nibbler

Maybe after the bad results of the first experience with polygamy, Joseph didn’t want to do it again. Perhaps the Lord needed us to practice it as part of his plan.

The explanation ‘increase the number of children born in the gospel covenant in order to “raise up seed unto [the Lord].” ‘ works well enough for me. I certainly am the beneficiary of that practice. I have several ancestors that practiced polygamy.

We all see darkly on this topic.

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SilentDawning wrote:

Its amusing to me that at one time plural marriage was hard core doctrine. Now, in the essays it is something about which we don’t know a lot.

Because of this on this and the change that has happened with other teachings, I like to focus on the basics of the gospel. The two great commandments, the doctrine of Christ and pure Mormonism as Ray puts it.

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acknowledge and face your weaknesses, but don’t be immobilized by them

Jorg Klebingat, “Approaching the Throne of God with Confidence”, Oct 2014

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Your experience reminds me of Alma 32 where he talks about how faith begins with a desire to believe.

I would go slow. Let your faith grow organically. Do the things you feel will increase the desire to believe. And then to “do His will” as you understand it. For then it will begin to be delicious to you. It will begin to swell within you. You will recognize it as good and light and discernible.

Every one experiences God a bit differently. But I have found that the descriptions of the influence of God as described in Alma 32, Moroni 7 and elsewhere in the scriptures works for me.

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NewLight wrote:

Getting the Deseret Book catalog within the last week and seeing the book “The Crucible of Doubt” advertised on the first page. A book such as this would never be carried by the Church’s bookstore five years ago. Baby steps…

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This is a good general guide. Though for myself. I did not go as far as you described in 3 and 5.

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@Ray “Originally intended for the legacy theater”

Elder Holland introduces “Meet the Mormons”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_5z1K2Ryx0&sns=em

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That was a great quote from Elder Christofferson. I didn’t remember the the puppet master part.

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I love that the Sacrament gets way more emphasis than almost anything else. It happens every week. It is often mentioned as the main purpose of Sunday worship. The prayers are set. And by so doing, they are consistent in their messages. I love the talk from Elder Oaks on it from a few years ago.

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2008/10/sacrament-meeting-and-the-sacrament?lang=eng” class=”bbcode_url”>https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2008/10/sacrament-meeting-and-the-sacrament?lang=eng

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I see that any revelations, or inspirations or actions that the prophet wants to do, are to be unanimously sustained by the first presidency and the quorum of the twelve. Perhaps this pattern has not been perfectly followed in the past. I would be surprised if it was.

If we believe all truth from whatever source it comes, it does not surprise me that we take better teaching techniques from where they are found. We learn line upon line and precept upon precept. Both individually and collectively.

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Thanks for this post. I loved those quotes. :clap:

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Shawn wrote:

it seems to me that the church is becoming dangerously close to portraying the prophet as an intermediary between us and God. It’s almost as if we are to pray through him.

By having sacrament every week, it can direct our minds to our covenants made to Heavenly Father through the name of Jesus. “that they may always have his Spirit to be with them” (D&C 20:77) is the promise made to us. I know that in my church experience, this weekly reminder and rejuvenator has been emphasized a lot. We must emphasize it more. We must get it into our heart and minds and actions and being.

This part of Elder Nelson’s talk is comforting to me.

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The calling of 15 men to the holy apostleship provides great protection for us as members of the Church. Why? Because decisions of these leaders must be unanimous. (D&C 107:27) Can you imagine how the Spirit needs to move upon 15 men to bring about unanimity? These 15 men have varied educational and professional backgrounds, with differing opinions about many things. Trust me! These 15 men—prophets, seers, and revelators—know what the will of the Lord is when unanimity is reached! They are committed to see that the Lord’s will truly will be done. The Lord’s Prayer provides the pattern for each of these 15 men when they pray: “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” (“Sustaining the Prophets“)

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Cadence wrote:

To determine if something is good you should be willing to look at it from the perspective of others.

Another amen.

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One thing I noticed in the Sunday morning session, was all the talks pointing to the prophet. When the prophet spoke he pointed to Jesus. I thought that was good.

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