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“Ties go to science” in my opinion. In other words if there is conflict go with science. Religion and Science are parallel paths both searching for Truth (capital T) and both have detours and backtracks but at least good scientists will admit when they are wrong. Therefore:
I believe evolution is scientific fact with relatively minor questions about details at the margins.
Laws of physics rules the universe so something like the Big Bang happened. Still lots of blank spaces to fill in about the origin of the universe and how it will end.
I’m not sure there is a god, a pre-mortal life, or a post mortal life – but I hope there is something good and worthwhile afterwards, otherwise we are bit players in a grand cosmic joke.
I worry about the literalness of virtually no religious doctrine whatsoever and it has made my life much easier.
This is a very interesting idea. I’m curious to hear from an attorney if a 2nd legal marriage on the same day actually means anything, or if it’s a ring ceremony from the law’s perspective. Thanks for this post. I think I read this on this forum and it has helped me: Sometimes the person we have to forgive is God. Also for me forgiveness means learning to set boundaries which is along the lines of what others have said.
Beefster wrote:
Coffee? Tea? I dunno.Fruits and vegetables are good for you? I’d say that’s common sense, even for its time.
I’d say that Coffee and Tea may not actually be part of the WoW. I’d also contend that veggies and fruits as we think of them today were luxuries in the 1840s. For example people would get an orange or a few strawberries only on special occasions in New England because they were so expensive for the masses. On a related not during my mission in the 1990s to a tropical country that grows lots of fruits, the average person there couldn’t buy fruit because most was sent to the US where it was sold at much higher prices.
Back to the OP. Probably lots of reasons to rethink the WoW. What Mom3 said makes sense.
Hello Dande, Yes I agree that the WoW is a work in progress, probably like much of the rest of the church, but I do think the WoW is generally a good recommendation- it’s how we enforce it that I have a problem with. It seems like science finds one thing is good, then 20 years later it’s bad, and it takes a while for health professionals to reach consensus. But gradually it seems they do reach consensus. Smoking is bad. Exercise is good. Alcohol is not good. There are nuances on the margins.
I’m genuinely glad the ketosis diet is working for you. As you stated, I too believe that everybody is different and that we each have to find what works for us. My experience is “eat mostly plants” is good advice.
Most of my family struggles with weight and I’ve seen many people try the keto diet and it looks difficult to me. About 8 years ago I traveled a lot for work temporarily, worked long hours, and gained 30 pounds in 3 months. To lose it I basically went vegetarian and started exercising. I also started running and between the exercise and the “near” vegetarian diet, both of which I’ve kept doing for 8 years, I’ve kept myself at a healthy weight.
Best wishes in your experiment, I’d love to hear how it turns out.
RR
DarkJedi wrote:
I’m still scratching my head at “nonconsensual immorality.” What the heck is that?
Elder Cook has something against culturally accepted phrases when he deems them counter-Gospel. I was in a meeting with him once when he instructed us all to not use the phrase “coming out.” It was to be called “self declaration.”
mom3 wrote:
You called it Dark Jedi. Your conference radar was spot on this time.
DJ’s nickname might have to be Yoda.
Like Curt said, this was a good conference. It gives me hope that additional bigger changes might come in the future. Also good because it led to some good discussions with my two daughters ages 18 and 20 and my wife and parents. Plus Easter, no church, and some R&R makes it a good weekend.
Dear Mom3, My heart goes out to you. I’m so sorry you and your son have to experience this. My father in law will probably leave this world in the next few months and I get it. It’s Easter time that I find myself really really hoping there is something bigger and better than us out there watching and caring.
RR
I vote for Gerald Causse. He gave one of the best talks I’ve ever heard at a stake conference. I think he’s somewhat Uchtdorf-like. I don’t really know much about either of the other two. I bet they are also considering Kim Clark – in the past they seemed to like BYU and BYUI presidents, plus he seems fairly orthodox which may appeal to the First Presidency.
As most of you have said, I’ve moved noticeably to the left politically, and just 10 years ago I would have laughed at myself for some of my current beliefs. However I consider myself a moderate because both sides usually have valid points of view to consider. I believe extremists on either side can be dangerous and I wish we had more compromise and discussion. One thing that gives me pause as someone moving to the left is something that I heard recently along the lines of: people on the left are so worried about humanity that they don’t care about their own family. While I can’t say if that’s true on a large scale it’s true within my own family. Two immediate family members are very left and are so idealistic about it that it’s almost a religion for them and the entire family dislikes being around them. These two promote environmental and LGBTQ causes but their own children and siblings won’t talk to them.
I suppose that’s probably true of any extremist, but the contrasting notion of caring for humanity but not your own children caught my attention.
Unfortunately we don’t know many details of the reasons behind the decision. I can easily imagine circumstances which would make management by a professional property company perfectly logical. Hopefully they will take care of anyone who is displaced, which I think they would. Elder McConkie seems to resonate well still with orthodox black and white thinkers. I told a woman (still in my ward) that Mormon Doctrine isn’t in fact official LDS doctrine and she reported me to the bishop and called me an apostate and threatened to tell the stake president. I’ve heard it quoted in Sunday School lessons a few times a year, which is still very high when you compare it with any other book written by a GA. The title “Mormon Doctrine” implies doctrine and the fact that Elder McConkie was well spoken, persuasive, and confident probably means we will hear echoes for some time. As DJ says, I still hear people refer to his last testimony as an example of a true witness of the Savior. Emma Smith. If she had handled polygamy differently (in support of or in opposition to) we might have a very different church.
There are no words. At least the math department is trying. The Sisters’ Meeting poster is embarrassing and utterly tone deaf. Hi AmyJ, I really like this post and it could be the subject of a fun talk… It sounds like you’re a music person and have made a cool comparison between singing parts – vs unison – and how that applies to us here at StayLDS. I’m also a music person and want to share my observations in case you find them interesting. Thanks for starting this post.
I have an average voice but I hear all 4 parts well because I’m a trained organist and I’ve played at stake conferences and ward meetings for years. Currently I rarely play because I sit on the stand every week and I miss my organist calling. I sing pretty loudly and sometimes I’ll jump between bass, tenor, and baritone (singing the alto part an octave lower). I generally dislike singing the melody because it’s boring in my mind. The other men around me are either tone deaf (which is entirely possibly) or get confused by my confident singing and switching between parts.
The only time I enjoy singing melody happens in two circumstance a) when the hymn is written for everyone to sing melody b) when the organist plays an alternative harmony which means everyone is supposed to sing melody.
As you likely know, the organ is meant to sound like an orchestra. The newest LDS organs in typical chapels have 50+ sounds and the MOTAB Tabernacle organ has 206 sounds. Also, the way an organ is “supposed” to be played, the bass part is played by the feet on the pedals, the tenor played by the left hand, the alto played by the right hand (or the right and left hand trading off), and the melody played by the right hand. An organist often must practice each part separately and must know and understand each part. So not only does each singing part have a different note, but they are intended to have a different registration or sound. A skilled organist can turn the bass, tenor, or alto part into a “solo” by making that part have a louder or more noticeable sound. For example a tenor might be played with a trumpet sound and the other parts played with a flute sound to highlight a particularly lovely tenor part.
What this means to me is that a skilled organist not only has the option of highlighting different parts, but rather he/she has the obligation to highlight different parts. And sometimes the organist can really stir things up and change all the harmony and make everyone sing together, but only for a short time. Forcing a melody on everyone for more than single verse will cause everyone to stop singing. Leaders ideally would understand all the different parts. Confident singers can influence other singers, sometimes to the weaker singers detriment.
