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Roy wrote:
I just found out that Amazing Grace has been added to the new LDS hymnbook (hymn #1010).This might be a reflections of some softening in our doctrine from overwhelmingly works and worthiness based to also include more mercy and grace.
That’s a good choice by them but so many of the other ones I’ve heard have been… Uninspiring.
It’s several hours to our temple from our ward, and several hours back. We leave first thing in the morning and are back last thing at night. The cafeteria is one of the few things I look forward to. Otherwise the place would be completely boring while you’re waiting around. Quote:I am temple ambivalent these days and I don’t particularly believe in the whole concept of proxy work for the dead or even the live ordinances. I get little out of the temple. I recently saw a news piece regarding the drought in Madagascar. Madagascar is on the brink of famine and people are starving. Some collect mere drops of water to survive. Millions are affected. But we’re going to build a multi-million dollar temple there. Let them eat cake.
If they are building a temple in Madgascar, I hope local people are being paid, then at least that brings money into the economy which can be used to pay for imported food and which will go into local businesses to improve their situation. This helps grow permanent infrastructure.
But I take your point, the money could be better spent on wells etc. I have always favored the idea of missionaries being used on service projects, but that should include things that can be used long term.
I think charity has to be well thought out. I heard recent that a large sector of the African economy has been devasted by some forms of charity… e.g. clothing manufacturers can’t sell anything because other Africans in some places are getting free clothes. Those people are thus not making the money they could to support their families and build up an industry which could eventually bring in international sales, which would be better than the onerous bank loans these countries get. The LDS has the right idea when it comes to building self-reliance. Any charity has to try and build long term results as well as bridging short term gains.
The word “misinformation” is being peddled around my part of the world as anything which does not agree with our government. That is against the principles of both science and democracy. There are multiple problems just now. We’re being banned from linking to medical journals, not just the lunatic fringe. In my part of the world, and most others, there is no liability on getting this, meaning I cannot sue if something goes wrong. That is damning in itself. Yet I am extremely high risk to any heart or blood related side effects, my parents and other relatives have had them. AstraZeneca/Oxford which I would have been made to get (we don’t get a choice) was banned from a number of countries over this issue.
There are also multiple other issues like animal testing for vegans, the fact that double vax’d people are catching Covid in droves (several in our ward in hospital recently) and the totalitarian methods being used such as censorship of the media… not to mention compulsory ID being introduced across the globe to track your every movement, and punishment of those who don’t get them.
I feel like our governments and the church is effectively stomping on my face. It’s a disgrace, and may God forgive them. I doubt I am going to make it to the end of this decade with what is going on.
DarkJedi wrote:
The reason this can’t be “discussed” on social media is because abundant misinformation, incorrect information, and outright untruths are out there perpetuating the spread of the COVID virus. I don’t believe we want this forum to be the source or continuation of such misinformation, incorrect information or outright untruths either.
No, it is blatant and obvious censorship by social media. I’ve had Facebook delete content from the New England Journal of Medicine and the British Medical Journal. Neither of these can be deemed “misinformation” . YouTube also deleted a link to an Israeli Ministry of Health page discussing issues. Since Israel was one of the earliest nations to implement them, it woukd spot such issues earlier than others.
We’re not talking Alex Jones level stuff here, but medical journals and government websites. If we can’t discuss things from legitimate sources, we are in very deep trouble indeed.
“Misinformation” nowadays seems to refer to anything that disagrees with the official line.
People in my ward are taking adverse reactions on a regular basis. It’s not even uncommon and it’s not antivaxxers I’m hearing this off. This isn’t a flu vaccine – a flu vaccine doesn’t make you feel sick for two weeks after you’ve had it. I recently heard the Patriarch’s wife talking about this with another elderly member about how both of them were kept awake in pain all night after having theirs. Both of them seemed to take the line their choice was regrettable but necessary. Guys – that is not normal. I have had flu shots – they don’t do that to you, or extremely rarely. But we’re not supposed to talk about this, and the media won’t cover it. They’ve given minimal coverage to heart and stroke problems arising shortly after people having it.
Limhah wrote:
I know I wouldn’t feel comfortable having large group meetings these days. Very few people have had their second or third booster vaccination for one thing and the effectiveness diminishes over a period of months. I suspect a lot of folks think that one shot is sufficient and are getting lax about safety.
Israel is forcing people to have the third one and is talking of a fourth. This is way out of hand. We know Covid is nasty but does its low death rate justify six monthly injections for everyone indefinitely? There is something very very wrong with this whole thing. In many places people are being admitted who have had two of the jabs. It makes me wonder what the point of destroying everything for ineffective (and sometimes dangerous) vaccines is. But we’re not allowed to discuss this on social media.
The most famous church in Istanbul/Constantinople/Byzantium is Hagia Sophia – Saint Sophia or Holy Wisdom. Very mich venerated in Orthodox Christianity. Psychopaths have an excuse, but there are those who are knowingly sadistic, and therein lies the problem. I mention a notorious serial killer on another recent thread – Ted Bundy – but the most damage is done by people “obeying orders”, i.e. those who are part of a power structure. Many more are killed by them than by lone wolves. If you’ve ever read about Mao’s China, you’ll have heard about the terrible pain inflicted during the Cultural Revolution. The death toll of that regime is tens of millions which makes monsters like Bundy seem moderate by comparison. nibbler wrote:
35m infected with 618k are the numbers for the US alone. Worldwide it’s 198m infected with 4.22m deaths.Those are the reported numbers it’s almost certainly higher.
The infectiona are underreported, but the deaths aren’t. Millions have had to have a test to even know they have it. In other words the infection to death rate is much lower than we’ve been led to believe.
The infection rate over the past two years is almost certainly in the billions.
Roy wrote:
SamBee wrote:
She was stupid to get in the car with him, I suppose, but that still doesn’t justify it.
I think we should be really careful with statements like this. I have gotten in cars with others. I suppose almost any of those instances could have turned out horribly. Does that mean that I am/was stupid each and every time I allowed myself to be vulnerable? Is it ok for me because I am a man? I do not like where this train of thought leads.
We’ve all done stupid things, that doesn’t mean we should do them. I’ve found myself in dangerous situations a few times through my own fault. On one occasion, I just had to run as fast as my legs would take me. Luckily it was an easy route back to safety.
The woman didn’t know Bundy at all, so I think that is mistake no. 1. I think we do at least teach our youngsters to be careful with these things. I know practically anyone can turn out nasty, but you’ve got to be especially careful of guys who arr an unknown quantity.
To be fair to the woman she did manage an effective escape plan. He kept smothering her, so she passed out, but she managed to haul herself out of there and.used a river to get away from him… But it is sad that someone could be held guilty for an unwanted attack. She was stupid to get in the car with him, I suppose, but that still doesn’t justify it. DarkJedi wrote:
SamBee wrote:
If they introduce phone vaccine passes into our chapel, I’m off. I have strokes and heart trouble all over both sides of my family and am at high risk – Covid, on the other hand does little to me. I also do not agree with the electronic tracking pass thing on principle and would not agree to it outside these times. I know they want to bring this in permanently.
I don’t know if “they” is the British government (I assume it is) but things are very different in this regard in the USA.
It’s being introduced in a hundred countries in some form or another. Israel already has these things and it is causing chaos there, meaning lecturers are being blocked from entering their own universities. It’s obviously not the decision of any one country but decided in some shady international conference that our supposedly “democratic” governments forgot to tell us about.
It is being brought in by mission creep in many places… It starts with travel, then sports games and concerts, then night clubs. We’re going to need these freaking things to leave our house next. I know if they come in we’ll never get rid of them.
I suspect the USA will be resistant to these things, but a lot of other developed countries are not. I know it is in a watered down form in some parts of the States already (although you can present a card rather than have the tracking app on your phone)
One of our bishopric downloaded the voluntary version last year. If it becomes compulsory, I’m afraid I’ll have to boycott. I’m already taking names down when people come into the chapel. Bit I’m not gping to endorse a kind of surveillance even East Germany couldn’t have come up with.
If they introduce phone vaccine passes into our chapel, I’m off. I have strokes and heart trouble all over both sides of my family and am at high risk – Covid, on the other hand does little to me. I also do not agree with the electronic tracking pass thing on principle and would not agree to it outside these times. I know they want to bring this in permanently. I feel like I am getting a never ending obedience talk from our government just now… But thankfully not in our chapel.
