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If this story is true, Elder Oaks needs to be careful about evoking the spirit of Joseph Smith in this context. There would be so many reasons JS could not hold a calling in that Stake, or ANY stake in the church! mom3 wrote:
Sheldon and I rarely see eye to eye, but I am with him on this one.
I’m hurt Mom3! I thought we were best buds!
😆 Old Timer wrote:
If it becomes a tourist site for non-members, like the SLC temple, it will be worth the cost.
I don’t see that happening. I just can’t imagine a person coming home from a Italian vacation, and telling their friends “We went to Rome and saw the Vatican, the Colosseum, and Trevi Fountain. Oh, and we also went to see the Mormon Temple!
No matter the cost, I’m sure the Rome Temple is the most expensive ever in modern times when looked at on a per capita basses. There is only 10 stakes in all of Italy. There is more mebers in my county in Southern California than all of Italy. If you sign up for the direct bill pay, make sure you tell them you do not want to have the ward know. That use to be the default, and was like that when I signed up, but I’ve been told it is not the default now, and you have to ask. Rumin8 wrote:One of the interesting points was why it takes the brethren so long to change course? Why do they now trend behind social progressiveness where once, in JS time you could say the church was ahead of its time. Why does it require people like Sam Young or Kate Kelly, who perhaps push the envelope, but are agents of change nevertheless. Why do we have to lose members to force change within the church?
Could it be that the boat (church) has an old guy that is hard of hearing driving, and that the boat veers to the right and that the hull is dinged and old?
I expect that during the tourist season, the majority of patrons will be visitors from the US. Much like the Nauvoo temple is mostly a tourist spot temple with visitors. This is called the perfectionist fallacy. This is the one that those against the church fall for most often. Example: The LDS church has a very poor track record with regard to treating LGTB fairly, Therefore the church should not be praised or even recognized for the good they do. There is a couple in our ward that splits time between here (California Coast) in the winter and Logan Utah in the summer. Six month in each place. So they get no real heavy duty jobs. What’s the church to do, tell them they can’t do that? The large group of baby boomers (I’m one) are reaching retirement age. So the numbers of 54 to 70 years old people is at an all-time high, and any inactivity by this cohort will be exaggerated by the high numbers, but as a percentage I don’t think there is any more of a problems with the boomers than any other group.
Once when I was bishop I got a call Sunday morning from my SP. He said Elder XXX of the 1st Q70 was visiting the area and wanted to attend a sacrament meeting, and he was coming to my ward! He sat on the stand next to me, and was the concluding speaker in the meeting. He was kind of stuck up, and complained to my SP after that I should not be telling jokes! When I introduced him, I had looked up his Bio and saw he had been a MP in Siberia. So in the introduction I said something to the effect that he got sent to Siberia for a job well done as a Stake President. He told my SP that it was ok for the Prophet to tell jokes, but not me. Every time he speaks in GC I leave the room now!
