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Roadrunner wrote:Thoreau wrote:
Has Holland(?) or any other general authority actually said the handbooks are doctrine or did they say the handbooks contain doctrine? If they said the handbooks are doctrine how about a verifiable source with a link.
Oaks said the handbooks are doctrine during the worldwide bishopric broadcast and training about the new handbook rollout several years ago. I doubt there is a public recording of it available but that is what I thought I heard. “Handbooks are doctrine”
I remember thinking how can something be doctrine if less than 1% of the church has access to it.
I attended a training session about the new handbooks and the speaker I heard said it contained doctrine. I don’t remember the year or the speaker. I think it was after 2007 and before 2012.
I skimmed through the thread so I might be saying something that has already been said. Temple marriage (sealing) is doctrine. The waiting period between civil marriage and sealing is policy.
I would have to agree that wearing the temple garment is doctrine. How and when the garment is worn could very well fall under practice. For instance you might find a temple worker telling you you have to put the right leg in first, then the left leg, then the right arm, then the left arm.
Has Holland(?) or any other general authority actually said the handbooks are doctrine or did they say the handbooks contain doctrine? If they said the handbooks are doctrine how about a verifiable source with a link.
Did I miss the biology of sexual relations in this thread? The act of making love, or whatever you want to call it, releases chemicals that strengthen the bonds between the participants. They are also pleasurable. How can you separate pleasure and bonding from the act?
Just a quick pop in. From the Handbook.
“Occult Affiliation
Church members should not engage in any form of Satan worship or affiliate in any way with the occult. “Such activities are among the works of darkness spoken of in the scriptures. They are designed to destroy one’s faith in Christ, and will jeopardize the salvation of those who knowingly promote this wickedness. These things should not be pursued as games, be topics in Church meetings, or be delved into in private, personal conversations” (First Presidency letter, Sept. 18, 1991).”
My ward took two Sundays to cover the training in joint PH-RS. I wasn’t there the first Sunday and didn’t pay a lot of attention to the second half which I attended. My impression is that it is Church HQ directed and it was a training session conducted by general authorities, I don’t remember which ones. We would watch the session which would be paused and a discussion/instruction by the bishop would take place. My take away from what I did hear was we shouldn’t be making lists of does and donuts.
We should examine what we do on the sabbath day and determine e if it is keeping with the spirit of the sabbath.
Skipping church to enjoy the Church of the Blue Sky, Green Trees, Canyons, etc. is not keeping with the spirit of the sabbath because we don’t partake of the sacrament. Hence my comment that the reason for attending church is to take the sacrament. Everything else is secondary.
Short answer from the training we received a few weeks ago on keeping the sabbath day holy is to partake of the sacrament. Over the years I heard much the same thing. Brigham Young received an inspiration during conference that the handcart companies were in trouble and immediately sent out a rescue party. When you read the actual history you find out this was far from the case. Let’s see, back in my earlier days we used quiet books to keep the little ones quiet. People read books in church, sometimes even scriptures. Coloring books, tic tac toe, dots. As long as I’ve been a member people have had distractions at church. Electronics are the latest and because advanced technology more pervasive or intrusive. I have an iPad but it usually stays at my side. Before my iPad I used paper scriptures and would often get sidetracked when a speaker quoted a scripture and I would look it up to find the context, I like the iPad because I put a library on it and that’s all I have to carry now.
The rescue party left on a Tuesday. Date from the below article and a date calculator.
