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Katzpur, Your reasons for staying are very similar to my reasons for staying. I was not indoctrinated as a child, I joined the church as an adult. Hmm.
I don’t think it is a rule that applies generally to the church but is more specific. BYU dress codes, temple workers in some cases (maybe all), missionaries, and the unwritten rule of culture. You can attend the temple with long hair and facial hair, you can be in a bishopric although you might some flack from those higher up the ladder.
Posting something DHO said while he was president of BYU and which was about BYU (at least that was the impression I got) as applying to the church as a whole is not something I would take seriously.
If possible don’t let them sit together. If they don’t volunteer to participate then call on them.
Take away their agency
If they get too bad take them to their parents.
Talk to them separately before class and get them to paricipate in one way or another like taking the roll, passing out something, etc. Make them feel important or part of something bigger.
I’m sure it was just an accident and I did mention it to the YM president. He was very apologetic. We have/had both hand sanitizer and alcohol wipes at the sacrament table. I was just lucky enough to get a piece a bread that someone in a hurry had broken after using the sanitizer. Another crazy thing that passed through my mind was that I was taking the sacrament “unworthily” and that was why it tasted tainted. I think taking the sacrament has been discussed on another thread. The things that go through your head after over 30 years of indoctrination.
I popped that piece of bread in my mouth, and it was a pretty big piece, and wondered, “What is that taste?” I then figured out it was hand sanitizer. I managed to force it down but it took a bit of effort not to bolt for the door of the chapel, head outside, and spit it out. The only thing that kept me from spitting it out was the somewhat bizarre thought that spitting out the bread would be sacrilegious. I was probably also thinking that the members would be wondering why Brother Thoreau is heading out of the chapel during the sacrament. We must keep up appearance musn’t we? The water wasn’t enough to wash the taste away. It took an hour or more.
Quote:It’s a process. It’s a refining. Like the art student who thinks he can let his three-year old paint a Pollock,
a spiritual novice or initiate cannot walk in and claim the rules are stupid, or they don’t apply.An initiate must walk the path, experience the fullness of time, place, culture and faith, and only then can s/he sift through their experienceswith anything akin to moral authority and figure out their place in the plan. I have noticed on this forum and another forum that many of us also belong the “rules” are discussed quite often and at length. Yes, there are a lot of rules pertaining to being a Latter Day Saint. There are also a lot of rules if you are Jewish or if you claim to be Christian (aside from being LDS). Even if you just use the New Testament there are a lot of rules. I was just doing some quick browsing one day and one web site listed hundreds of rules from the New Testament. Many of them are just variations but they were still listed.
I feel that many of the “rules” are manmade and are local twists on culture or custom that have somehow made it into the rule book. We have many threads on these; women must wear pantyhose, those passing the sacrament must hold their left hand behind their back, you have to wear a white shirt to church.
How do you know which rules are manmade and which rules are from God? I don’t know. We are supposed to have the gift of revelation for use in our own lives. What if our revelation goes against what our bishop or a general authority says? Can we go wrong by following our leaders? We shouldn’t but it has happened.
I agree that most rules are for our benefit but some of them can be downright petty.
There should be rule against rambling posts like this one. I don’t even remember what I was trying to say.
I guess what I want to say is that before we complain about the rules we should try to understand what the rules are, why the rules are what they are, and how they apply. If you want to go to BYU you agree to follow the rules. You have no right to purposely break them. If you want to go to the temple you should follow the rules governing temple attendance.
There are other things I want to say but I will wait and see if they come up in the discussion.
Cool Hand Luke is another movie with religious symbolism. Rather than tell it I’ll just hint at some of it.
Eggs
Crosses
John the Baptist
Thank you mercy. I don’t think that letter exists or that it happened. If it did the policy should be in the handbook instead of only in pamphlets like For the Strength of Youth and in references to conference talks.
Thank you for the responses. I failed to think about what what I was meaning to ask. I’m looking for a supposed letter that was read in sacrament meetings.
Thank you.
