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When I was in the Army apologizing was not something leaders did. I also spent much of my military time as a member of the Church and I was in quite a few church units with a preponderance of servicemembers. Apologizing was not something often done. I remember being taught in my early days in the Church that apologizing was part of the repentance process. You recognize you did something wrong and you make restitution if you wronged someone. Apologizing was part of restitution. I can’t find it church publications though. So is apologizing something the Church teaches? I don’t know. Should apologies be made? I think so.
I think we might be pretty much on the same page. I was not LDS as a youth and also lived in Southern California. Scouting was strong in those days, mid to late 60s. I was active in Scouting and loved it even if I didn’t advance far.
Advance in time to my adult years and joining the LDS Church and being called as the Blazer Leader, 1979. What a shock. I worked in the Scouting program in the Church off and on for 20 years outside the corridor and trying to make it work. I served on committees, as assistant scoutmaster, as scoutmaster, as cubmaster. I took all the training I could including Woodbadge. I served on the district training committee and ran a basic leader training. I finally got frustrated and disillusioned with the politics of BSA at the local level, Eagle factories, and the restrictions from the Church.
It would be nice if more LDS Scout units were like yours and looked beyond the minutiae of the guidelines and saw the vision of the program.
DarkJedi, There are a number of ways I can take your brusque response to my post. I will assume that I caught you at a bad time or that you misunderstood my post. I was not calling anyone out, chastising, or calling to repentance. I thought someone had asked what the policy is so I referenced it. That does not mean I agree with it.
In response to questions and comments. This is from The Scouting Handbook. Quote:8.10
Camping and Sabbath Day Observance
Keeping the Sabbath day holy is a commandment of the Lord and the practice of the Church. The Church does not approve of hiking and camping trips on Sunday. Scout groups should not travel to or from camps on Sunday. Plans for outings should ensure that Aaronic Priesthood brethren and other members can attend to their regular Church assignments.
As an exception, priesthood leaders may approve attendance at some BSA-sponsored national and regional jamborees that occur over the Sabbath. Attendance at such events may only occur with prior priesthood approval and with supervision by authorized priesthood leaders. Members attending such events are not to participate in activities that are inappropriate for the Sabbath. Scout uniforms may be worn during sacrament services at these events.
Sacrament meetings are not to be held—and the sacrament is not to be administered—outside the boundaries of the ward or stake where the priesthood leaders preside. Any exceptions must be approved by a member of the Presidency of the Seventy.
Scouting events (except approved long-term camps) are not held on Monday evening, the night designated for family home evening.
https://www.lds.org/manual/scouting-handbook-united-states/8-0-church-policies?lang=eng I might have mentioned this elsewhere. My ward sent out addressed stamped envelopes with partially filled out forms and propaganda flyers, mostly church related rather than Scouting related. Since they spent that much time and money I removed as much identifying information I could on the forms and sent in a token dollar bill.
There isn’t anything in the handbook accessible to everyone. I don’t remember anything in Handbook 1 and I don’t have access anymore to check. I think the issuer (bishop) would ask for it to be surrendered. If the holder refused he would contact the stake president and someone at the stake level would go into the computer system and deactivate it. Just my speculation based on experience from three years ago.
Longer garments; maybe, maybe not. My son in law bought some T-shirts a year or so ago, the same size he bought before and the sleeves were longer. They showed beneath his outer shirt. This guy is pretty TBM and he was pretty unhappy about it.
I would say don’t try to justify or analyze the WoW based on contents of the drink. If it is coffee brewed from coffee beans or tea brewed from tea leaves it is against the WoW. The WoW doesn’t say caffeine, it doesn’t say tannins, it says hot drinks which has been interpreted to mean coffee and tea. Sure you can nitpick and strain at gnats and hot versus cold, green tea, decaf, etc. In the simplest interpretation it’s the tea plant and the coffee plant. Scouting Month February has traditionally been designated as Scouting Month in the United States. Leaders of Scouting units chartered by the Church may plan and carry out approved activities during the week to recognize this tradition. However, in keeping with the purposes of Sabbath observance, boys and leaders do not wear their uniforms to regu- lar Sunday meetings or while administering and passing the sacrament.
https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/english/young-men/35814_scout-handbook_eng.pdf?lang=eng I don’t use PayPal. If I were to donate is there a place I can mail something to? Funny, I was just asking Ray about this last night.
hawkgrrrl wrote:What I dislike is the extension of religious exemptions to individuals who practice that religion rather than restricting it to the religions themselves. That’s unfair and impossible for the law to allow. A church shouldn’t have to perform a gay marriage if it goes against doctrine, but a municipal clerk doesn’t have that same right. A clerk is not a church.
Yes.
On the surface the announcement sounds good but when one starts looking closer it is lacking and still allows for discrimination.
You mean the information I found on Family Search taking my ancestors back to Adam and Eve might be wrong? 
What about going back to Helios and Perse?
