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Okay I had to check the stamp date on that one, just to make sure. Well if I must say, I agree with that long, long quote. And I disagree. Thought 1: I think we do know certain things. We do not know as in “We haven’t seen it with our very eyes”, but there are certain things that I certainly believe We do know.
We do know we need salvation for example. There is one.
Of course, you can argue there are many people out there who do not know they need salvation. And of course that is true. But if we are talking about the Church, collectively, I think there are things that Christ has given us common knowledge on, and that are true. We know there is a Godhead. We may not be certain of the Godhead at times, but we know there is one. We know that there are those we call prophets and apostles. Okay now I finally fledged them out.
Thought 2: To what I agree with. I do agree that maybe somethings what we think we know to be 100% certain are the things we are wrong on. Since I have this thought, I am most often to second, triple, quadruple guess myself a lot.
Something I find myself needing to work on, in order to say in the Church.
Tangent thought: I for one, do say I know certain things in my testimony, probably drives some people insane. I think though, if we are talking about individual testimonies. I know is more personal, they have come to know that truth.
Thought 3: I remember the time where I gave testimony of Heavenly Mother. Only once. I was thanked for it by one person, my home teacher. But I think it left a mark. Even if people may have forgotten about it by now. Some may not have.
Conclusion: So collectively we know somethings, but we don’t know anything for 100% certain. We may know it basically exists. But we can’t say it exists exactly the way we envision.
Tangent thought: I myself though am still learning how to receive personal revelation, and how is the best way to state it in church. I want to. I do agree with the premise in the article to find people to confide personal revelation in. Unfortunately, people don’t really ever respond to that except nodding their heads. Sometimes that bugs me.
Okay. That’s me and my thoughts. I decided to number this, so my thoughts don’t seem so sporadic.
Well that is a good thought. I liked that. Okay I’m really done with this conversation. I am okay if its locked.
You know. This conversation can be locked too. Really. I am going around all the threads I started barely getting any traffic anymore and asking if it can be locked.
There comes a point where these conversations just need to end.
I took that link, then linked to wikipedia, and I got even more of a headache. I can’t really understand the whole squaring the circle, so if you would explain it, in a nutshell, that will be helpful.
Other then that, the administration can lock this thread if they want.
Okay well, now that I’ve been married two months, and did the Temple first, then reception. So. Glad. It’s. Over.
Really. I think my perception on it, is that I did as a promise to myself. I promised myself that I want to get married in the Temple, and only the temple. My husbands uncle, and my uncle where the witnesses. And his aunt and my grandma got to sit in the mother’s chair.
I think the sealing was very good, (well except the part where I wanted very much to roll my eyes).
Other then that, I think this conversation is about done.
I think it would be okay if the administration locked this one.
Well its good to see some explanation. Haven’t seen this thread in a while. But its good to see there is a quote. Makes things a bit clearer. Interesting. Hmm, I am currently reading Flunking Sainthood. Good book. Haven’t finished it yet.
But that sounds like a good book. I should find it once I’m done with the other books I have.
Lets see, didn’t realized I was signed out, so that I couldn’t reply to this question. And this server didn’t save the comment I was typing. So I will start again. On that. I am ADD, I said that in my post on my introduction page “Another feminist” (go there for full post) , so probably:
7.Being disorganized and unprepared.
However, I don’t think “stop tolerating” is exactly the right approach to this list.
What if the unfinished business that is bugging you, is unfinished because a family member or friend is in a car accident and you’ve been helping them every single day of the last month. You will have to tolerate that unfinished business, until you can actually go home or work or wherever and get it done.
What if your anger is actually helping you through a situation because it is used in a way to actually promote you for looking for ways to change your current situation?
What if all of these things, are actually there, because of some other pressing matter in your life.
Surely this list is worthy of attention, that we should really study and come to understand how we can improve in this area. But I think we as human beings will always have to tolerate these things.
I mean, sometimes you just have ADD, and being disorganized and probably in my case underprepared rather then unprepared (no I don’t equate the two) are going to happen. Sometimes you will get angry, and in direct response to other peoples negative feelings. Sometimes there is unfinished business…Sometimes.
Oh, you get the point. And if you don’t. Please ask.
Well if some of you haven’t heard about my little problem, well i hope I find a solution to it. I want to apologize here, not there, if I have not been perfectly clear on my questions, and if I have not offered any good solutions to any one else’s problems, being too couped up with my own.
I should have realized that nobody really understands feelings, and that ranting here, isn’t the best thing. Except I disagree that it doesn’t serve any good purpose. I should have also been perfectly clear:
I have ADD, and though I say I push these thoughts back and forth in my head, I can perfectly ignore them for weeks on end, when something else grabs most of my attention.
So a lot of my feelings, and rants, speculations and questions, probably seemed a mumble jumbled mess. And I’m sorry for that. But I still am not sorry for what I said. I am simply sorry for what I have omitted from this forum.
I hope that you can all forgive me on this one. And my name is Sarah. Though I will keep the username Wondering Current, the name is Sarah.
You know I am tired of reiterating the same thing. Yes, I see that it can be tiring for other people to hear the same things. But I think that is what is called patience. I am all up for an angst thread but that doesn’t seem to be a solution here.
Honestly. I even wrote on my blog the following after thinking about all my questions:
I realize that maybe its not like I’m asking the wrong questions, but that I’m asking the same questions.
So maybe helpful comment, other then “Let it go” or take a break, would be a reminder to me. That “Hey Sarah, you seem to be asking the same questions, is there a way you could rephrase that” Well now you know the name of the person behind this pseudonym. I am a real person, might as well call me by my name.
That is another solution, so we could add solution 5 to the list.
So:
A) Solution 1 – We come to a compromise, policy isn’t used as the end all
Solution 2 – I leave. end of story, all my posts get deleted by administrationC) Solution 3 – Take a look again at my posts.
D) Solution 4 – I only pm people if I have a question or solution to problems, and become the quiet lurker again
E) Solution 5 – a gentle reminder to rephrase, rather then let go
And I guess I am really asking for three things:
1) Understanding people vent, and like the above writer said about their experience, if you don’t like it, Simply ignore me. LIke people ignore so much of what I say.
2) Majority says, isn’t always right
3) To see the solutions, and questions behind the vent, because it is there. Even if my thought is a mumble jumble, ADD mess
Well lets make that four:
4) If you have questions about what I said above, if you do not see any solutions or questions, if you do not see how this relates to staying LDS, then please send me a question, publicly or through pm. If you are confused simply let me know.
(and now I should make number 4 my signature, how do I do that? ooh never mind found it)
I think that sums up about everything I have said on this thread. Nicely organized I hope that nobody can mistake what I say. And if you misunderstand what I say, as I said Please ask me.
And if none of these solutions, seem like solutions to you. Then At least I tried. So be it. The end.
You know, yes I came here to offer solutions and find solutions. And yes to vent. Solution 1: We come to a compromise, and policy changes, to allow some venting.
Solution number 2: We agree to end this conversation now, and I never come back, because yes I feel signaled out, because I am going against how you think it ought to work here. Which means a complete deletion of my account, and all posts associated with it.
Solution number 3: We take a look again, at my other posts, and a lot of other posts similar to it. I hear a lot of people here speculate. So we can speculate, which doesn’t really offer any concrete solutions, but we can’t vent? Interesting.
Solution number 4: Since you don’t like me venting or expressing feelings in any of my posts, that it seems to be strictly that I should only come here to offer a solution, or a question. Then we agree that for now on, if I have a question, I will pm people, and people will be okay to pm me.
Those are the solutions I think would work. And I am angry and pissed off right now, so lets take this as a poll:
Which one of these offer the best solution for every one involved?
A) Solution 1
Solution 2C) Solution 3
D) Solution 4
Well I have one idea that would be very constructive for me. A single thread that is entitled “Vent here”, and people can just vent. Can’t we just make that possible? I will start it if I have to.
And I must say I like hearing your stories, of your struggles and how you handled it. Maybe also instead of telling me to let it go, or something similar to that effect. Maybe use an example from your life saying “You know one time this happened…”
Isn’t that constructive?
Hmm, I didn’t realize I was venting feelings more then stating opinions, and asking questions. I seem to remember most of my posts being a combination of both. And a bit long, so if you didn’t catch all of it, you can always read it again. And as I said before. If you are confused about something, simply ask me. I will remember to extend the same courtesy to you.
And one more thing, the only solution I have seen to answer my problems is meeting up in a group to actually do something about it. To get up and off my butt, and do something that is constructive about it. But at this minute, the only constructive thing I can do, is vent my feelings. Why are people afraid of venting feelings? And, please answer this next question (the previous one was rhetorical), how would you personally go about venting your feelings in a constructive way?
I am personally asking you what you would do. This isn’t about me right now. This question is completely directed toward every one here.
You know sometimes you can’t fix something right away. Sometimes it needs to be vented. And honestly that is the only way it works for me. To write it down first. Then take a minute to breath because I wrote it down. You can’t take everything and give me a solution. If you want me to clarify something. I will, but more often then not. I put down feelings because feelings quite frankly are what I have a lot of.
Again, if you want clarification of what exactly is bugging me. Please ask that question. That is more constructive to me.
